Comments on: The Case Against BRT — Melbourne, Australia http://bikeblogs.org/sf/2008/10/30/the-case-against-brt-melbourne-australia/ Biking in the Bay Fri, 18 May 2012 10:14:29 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.5.1 By: Peter Smith http://bikeblogs.org/sf/2008/10/30/the-case-against-brt-melbourne-australia/#comment-738 Peter Smith Thu, 06 Nov 2008 02:05:15 +0000 http://bikeblogs.org/sf/?p=322#comment-738 I don't think you disagreed with anything I said, Andreux - therefore, I did not 'bullshit you', nor anyone else. I've been to Melbourne and ridden the trams and walked the streets, and I took a bus there from Sydney. I know there are buses there, but they are not allowed to dominate the core of the city. If you disagree with something I've written, please just point it out. I don’t think you disagreed with anything I said, Andreux - therefore, I did not ‘bullshit you’, nor anyone else. I’ve been to Melbourne and ridden the trams and walked the streets, and I took a bus there from Sydney. I know there are buses there, but they are not allowed to dominate the core of the city. If you disagree with something I’ve written, please just point it out.

]]> By: Peter Smith http://bikeblogs.org/sf/2008/10/30/the-case-against-brt-melbourne-australia/#comment-735 Peter Smith Thu, 06 Nov 2008 01:52:42 +0000 http://bikeblogs.org/sf/?p=322#comment-735 Thanks for the tip, Asphodel. Thanks for the tip, Asphodel.

]]> By: Andreux http://bikeblogs.org/sf/2008/10/30/the-case-against-brt-melbourne-australia/#comment-733 Andreux Thu, 06 Nov 2008 01:18:42 +0000 http://bikeblogs.org/sf/?p=322#comment-733 I'm a Melbournite now living in San Francisco. Cycling is certainly more accepted in San Francisco, and the rail network in Melbourne is heavily under-invested in, and at least two decades behind its demand. The city is centralised (you're only seeing the CBD, which is fantastic, the laneways and arcades make this one of the world's great places), and there is a very large suburban area. I love Melbourne, but San Francisco is not doing so badly. The weird chatter about "no buses" from the authors of this article is wrong! There are _certainly_ buses in Melbourne, though fortunately we have retained our (heavily, heavily over strained) tram network (most other Australian cities decomissioned theirs in the 1950s. Yes, Australia embraced and still embraces the car just like America does outside of SF and NYC). Buses are very common in the suburbs because the rail lines all radiate from central Melbourne, and there's no way to get across town without using multiple trains/trams or just a single bus. Anyhow, I'm all for people travelling to Melbourne and enjoying it. It's a great city, and there's a lot to like. But please, don't bullshit me about my home town and sugarcoat things. Cheers! I’m a Melbournite now living in San Francisco. Cycling is certainly more accepted in San Francisco, and the rail network in Melbourne is heavily under-invested in, and at least two decades behind its demand. The city is centralised (you’re only seeing the CBD, which is fantastic, the laneways and arcades make this one of the world’s great places), and there is a very large suburban area.

I love Melbourne, but San Francisco is not doing so badly. The weird chatter about “no buses” from the authors of this article is wrong! There are _certainly_ buses in Melbourne, though fortunately we have retained our (heavily, heavily over strained) tram network (most other Australian cities decomissioned theirs in the 1950s. Yes, Australia embraced and still embraces the car just like America does outside of SF and NYC). Buses are very common in the suburbs because the rail lines all radiate from central Melbourne, and there’s no way to get across town without using multiple trains/trams or just a single bus.

Anyhow, I’m all for people travelling to Melbourne and enjoying it. It’s a great city, and there’s a lot to like. But please, don’t bullshit me about my home town and sugarcoat things.

Cheers!

]]> By: Asphodel http://bikeblogs.org/sf/2008/10/30/the-case-against-brt-melbourne-australia/#comment-690 Asphodel Wed, 05 Nov 2008 06:04:18 +0000 http://bikeblogs.org/sf/?p=322#comment-690 Of course a cyclist was recently killed by a tourist coach in central Melbourne. Of course a cyclist was recently killed by a tourist coach in central Melbourne.

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